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I bring from cyberpunk tribe this question: "What cybernetic enhancement/wearable device do you want?"
I think it would be very interesting to talk about it with radical cyborg folks and to listen your answers to that question.
My answer was:
"We are not free in this human society because we need to eat, to drink and to sleep. And even in a ideal techno-utopic society, it would be impossible to be free because we die.
If we want to be free, before thinking of other possibilities, we would have to remove those needs.
Think of alga, maybe you think it ’s a lower being, and it is in some ways, but it doesn ’t need to kill to live. Alga gets its energy directly from sun.
What kind of device would we need to insert inside of our human bodies to be a kind of intelligent seaweed?"
Jaffa sent a interesting comment:
“very cool thought strand there Nexus...
I'm not sure that it's just because of material needs that we aren't free. I'm not free to travel the world if I don't have money to pay the airlines. I'm not free to walk into any house I want because of social norms and laws.
However, I think you're right that the urgency to do many things, and the necessity of having to do anything would diminish a lot if we weren't constantly fighting just to stay alive. It would also reduce the ability some people to coerce or threaten other people into doing things out of fear... but it wouldn't remove that ability.
however there are other human needs such as avoidance of boredom (entertainment), social relationships, ability to inhabit space, etc. We would still need to preserve our freedom to do these things even with the bodily changes you recommend.”
I think it would be very interesting to talk about it with radical cyborg folks and to listen your answers to that question.
My answer was:
"We are not free in this human society because we need to eat, to drink and to sleep. And even in a ideal techno-utopic society, it would be impossible to be free because we die.
If we want to be free, before thinking of other possibilities, we would have to remove those needs.
Think of alga, maybe you think it ’s a lower being, and it is in some ways, but it doesn ’t need to kill to live. Alga gets its energy directly from sun.
What kind of device would we need to insert inside of our human bodies to be a kind of intelligent seaweed?"
Jaffa sent a interesting comment:
“very cool thought strand there Nexus...
I'm not sure that it's just because of material needs that we aren't free. I'm not free to travel the world if I don't have money to pay the airlines. I'm not free to walk into any house I want because of social norms and laws.
However, I think you're right that the urgency to do many things, and the necessity of having to do anything would diminish a lot if we weren't constantly fighting just to stay alive. It would also reduce the ability some people to coerce or threaten other people into doing things out of fear... but it wouldn't remove that ability.
however there are other human needs such as avoidance of boredom (entertainment), social relationships, ability to inhabit space, etc. We would still need to preserve our freedom to do these things even with the bodily changes you recommend.”
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Wed, April 7, 2004 - 6:51 AMin answer to the question, i just want a wifi attachment at the base of my skull, so i can google search whenever i get curious about something. of course that presupposes all sorts of wifi infrastructure around me... that's ok, i'll take that too.
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Wed, April 7, 2004 - 6:35 PMI'd go the opposite route actually.
I love meat, very rare.
I wouldn't mind being modified to be a "super preditor" one that can actually run as fast as a dear, break it's neck, tear through hide, digest the meat raw before it's cells have died.
It would be a marriage of technology and carniverous mayhem.
I don't consider my desire to enjoy such being a prisoner, there is an elemental beauty to it. I love my cat, she doesn't feel like a prisoner to attack a mouse, for it is in her nature to enjoy the attack... or else she wouldn't bother attacking Yarn, my shoe laces.
Perhaps you'd use technology to remove all that is animal out of the human, but I'd use it to enhance all that is animal and integrate it with my human intellegence... as I would also use it to enhance reasoning functions, sense of smell, taste, reflexes, sexual abilities, etc.
I'm not going to attack humans though, don't worry, their diets are poor, and they are allegedly way too stringy, even when they are fat there isn't much marbling. However I will offer myself for hire to stalk in communities where door to door salesmen, Jehovas Witnesses, Mormons, and other people barging in on restful sundays unwelcome. It would be a public service, eh?
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Sat, May 22, 2004 - 3:00 AMScrew all that. Jam a big pipe into my brain. Fiber or better, right in the brainstem. Don't care if it paralyzes me, either. -
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animal or human and the device I want
Tue, May 25, 2004 - 10:39 PMHi,
This is my first message here and before I begin... Hello to all of you :-) .
I think the device I would want is something that helps me amplify my unique nature, maybe even preseve it. i say this cuz when I switch on the internet or the television, it fills me with info on how the world is supposed to be. This irritates me because I have my own version of how my world should be. I would want a device that helps me block out these hypnotic world renewers.
On second thoughts, I could just switch everything off and head off into the jungle.. but then I wouldn't be a cyborg, would I ?
On the matter of animal nature, I think I am enough of an animal already.The human being is an animal, and has a unique animal nature. As a martial artist, I have a some experience of my own basic nature.
We who live in cities are always using our instincts to survive.. how else do you learn to avoid that nasty salesman or stalk that hot popstar channel after channel ??? -
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Re: animal or human and the device I want
Mon, June 21, 2004 - 1:57 AMi would like to access to the 'Star Trek' teleporter, so be able to go to someplace else for a quick break (during a long day in the office).
"beam me, Scotte".
stephen
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Tue, June 22, 2004 - 5:24 AMI think I'd like an implant that can take a person's name and face, analyze the first several sentences of their conversation, and cross-reference these data with an onboard archive of the entire text content of the internet. Imagine, upon meeting someone, being able to look up the top ten dumbest (or cleverest) things they've ever e-mailed, posted, or blogged. Of course "dumb" and "clever" would be customizable by the user, and add-on packs could compute probabilities of membership in various religions, self-help groups, social movements, political parties, television or radio audiences, and the like.
More generally, computer-assisted conversation analysis would be a handy human spam filter:
"You carry a dictionary in your backpack?"
"Saves time. I also have Life and People magazines."
> Bayesian computations are complete.
> P (saw Road House more than twice) is 85 to 93%
> P (competitive over Scrabble) is 52 to 71%
> P (gets all news from CNBC) is 60 to 64%
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Mon, August 9, 2004 - 6:07 PMHello all,
This is my first post on tribes and I feel honored to share my figurative deflowering with you all.
I want very much to have a cybernetic modification done which would involve an audio/visual component attatched behind an ear or at the temple. Placement is important because I would want the component accessing both my aural receptors as well as my optical nerve and the temple or behind the ear would in my estimation minimize the distance wires or hardware would have to reach.
This modification would'nt improve my intelligence or enhance my cognitive thinking abilities but would enhance my ability to
gather and access information at a much faster rate.
This modification is something that can be achieved with the technology society now has at hand, rather than having to wait for new breakthroughs and advances. A modification of this sort should also be able to be upgraded as technology and applications improved.
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Wed, August 11, 2004 - 12:46 AMFor me, I think it would have to be achievin-in-in-in-in-in-in achieving my dream of becoming a real boy...
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Sun, July 9, 2006 - 3:16 AMHi everyone. Ive just joined Tribe and found this great thread about cybernetic enhancement. A website I think is well worth a look for anyone interested in cybernetics/bionics is www.cyborg.com.hr
It's a futuristic shopping website alowing you to view different potential upgrades to the human body. I've 'spent' a fortune going through the site seeing what may well be available in the future.
Look forward to more posts
Cheers
Gary
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Thu, August 12, 2004 - 11:34 AMyeah, I'm thinkin neuromancer...the chick with the silver "glasses" implants..she had a clock display in her eye...like that, but maybe vga inputs...maybe even put a camera in them and make them smart. heads up displays-spacial recognition-infrared and image intesified...oh yeah and a clock, can't forget the clock. anyway, imagine your driving through the back roads of texas at night and there's a deer on the side of the road up ahead your image enhancments aren't on cause your having a relaxing drive but the camera is checking everything out and bam it's outlining the deer with a dotted yellow line and you think, "oh deer, I'd best slow down.". anyway, my idea is full of holes I know...but it's a neat idea nonetheless.
-Bill
ps. first time post. hi everybody!
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Thu, August 12, 2004 - 10:07 PMi would want to be a borg, like from star trek. completely deterritorialized subjectivity. -
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Tue, September 14, 2004 - 7:41 AMA link to the auditory center of my brain, so I can compose and record music just by thinking it. I really don't think it's that farfetched.
Also any kind of setup that lets me convert motor neuron impulses into digital signals. Preferably USB.
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Wed, August 3, 2005 - 2:13 AMMy ideal cybernetic interface would be a neural implant that allowed me to shape sounds via both external and internal synthesizers for the composition of multi dimensional complexly changing surround sound enveloping musical compositions.
For now just controlling the pre-exisiting synths that are already available without the need to twist knobs or trigger notes/samples would suffice!
Snap to it already manufactures of our future!
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Sun, January 1, 2006 - 12:00 PM
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Thu, June 29, 2006 - 10:06 AMI want a thing in my head that can tell where all the activity in my brain is and I connect to someone else with the same device and theirs will fire in the same place and then it can send things back the other way. It would be like telepathy without words. We are pretty close to doing that. I think maybe researchers have tried it.
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Sun, November 19, 2006 - 10:31 AMa Spine.
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Fri, November 24, 2006 - 10:28 PMAs a small leap, I'd start with new lenses for my eyes. Highly flexible, optically perfect.
Big leap stuff:
New eyes with associated optical processing extending meaningful sensation into the infrared and ultraviolet.
New ears with associated aural processing,
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Thu, December 14, 2006 - 10:27 PMFirst, I'm new, so this is my "hello" post.
What kinds of cybernetics do I want?
Before I say what I'd want, let me share my definition of a cyborg:
Any already-living subject who enhances their body with artificial implants or modifications, be those surgically attached mechanical arms with great strength and durability, organically grown eyes that see in different spectrums that surgically replace the original eyes, using nanobotic surgery to reshape the skeleton into a honeycone structure to reduce weight without significantly reducing skeletal strength, or genetic modifications that cause the brain to grow an internal radio-sensitive lobe.
Yes, I know that's rather vague, and includes non-mechanical augmentation, but that's just what I see cybernetics as possibly including. After all, Palladium Games Rifts RPG has a whole section of cybernetics called "Bio-Systems" which are organic implants grown in a lab and tailored to the customer's DNA which are surgically implanted; they aren't strictly mechanical, yet they are cybernetics.
As for what I want ASAP, I want a computer interface. Let me input thoughts, mental images, etc. directly into my computer. If I can imagine it, I can create it in an MPEG. Then I might be able to actually create and complete one of those bazillions of ideas that're in my brain, but I just can't translate them into non-thought medium due to sucky to non-existant artistic skills. Another use would be VR FPS games; instead of being limited by what your average game engine is designed to let the player do, you can jump and swing on pipes, shoot blindly around corners, etc.
Next on the list would be eliminate eating and drinking from my regimine, first by upgrading my skin with photosynthetic ability, and implanting some sort of organ in my gut that would recycle various nutrients as they are used and rendered into the "waste" that commonly leaves the body via urine (it would definitely replace the bladder). In addition, increasing the body's efficiency and reducing output from flaking skin fragments and sweat would be areas of focus at this point, as would reducing the overall effect of age and stagnation; remove atrophy from the body if possible, while maintaining the ability of organic tissue to self-regenerate and improve with regular use. Adding regeneration ability to my brain would also be desirable, as long as it didn't have any psychological side effects (not counting reversing actual brain damage, but counting trying to reverse "supposed" damage like deviation from social "norms" etc.).
Hmm, now to look through cyborg.com.hr . . .
Wonder how high my cost will be . . .
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Re: What cybernetic enhancement / device do you need?
Mon, April 20, 2009 - 11:22 PMMy ideal would be a full augmetic body, the only biological organ remaining being my brain housed in a shielded brain-case with an array of synthetic organs to produce anything the brain needs to function optimally. Since the main aim here is to become superior and near-immortal physically while maintaining my humanity in a psychological sense, I'd need to undergo some form of gene therapy to avoid eventual degeneration of my biological matter.
Outwardly my appearance would be close to human, but not completely indistinguishable. My synthetic skin would have to separate to expose sockets otherwise shielded from harsh conditions. (cybernetics and dust storms don't really mix). I'd have internal computing components and a wireless connection all linked to my vision and fed directly to my brain, effectively giving me a thought-driven computer external to my own consciousness. Various ways of harvesting and storing energy would have to be implemented to maintain a level of self-sufficiency that doesn't rely on plugging in to the mains. Some methods could be my synth-skin performing photosynthesis, a synthetic stomach to gain energy through chemical reactions while taking matter to resupply the synthetic organs preserving my brain. Alternatively, I could cop-out and just say "lol fusion", but where's the creativity in that?
A lot of people seem to be talking about uploading their consciousness into a machine to become a purely digital, immortal being. I have gone to such great lengths here to avoid that because as I see it what you would be doing is creating a digital clone of yourself. That unique consciousness that is you would die and your cloned consciousness which, although extremely similar to you, would never actually be "you" would live on in your name. I suppose some people are okay with this, as it would be an indistinguishable transition to any observer. And it could be looked at by yourself as leaving an heir to continue your legacy, but I stick by my choice that when I die, I die.
Phew, I guess that's about it. Sorry for the wall of text.